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Stream Side, Waterfalls, Catskill Getaway!

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Een bad/douchecombinatie, een haardroger, handdoeken, zeep
2 slaapkamers, een strijkplank/strijkijzer, gratis wifi, beddengoed

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9,2 op 10 –
Fantastisch

Gehele woning

2 slaapkamers1 badkamer74 m²

Populaire voorzieningen

  • Keuken
  • Gratis wifi
  • Airconditioning
  • Wasvoorzieningen
  • Buitenruimte
  • Parking beschikbaar

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Over deze accommodatie

Een plek voor jezelf

Je hebt de gehele woning helemaal voor jezelf en hoeft dus alleen met je reisgezelschap te delen.

Stream Side, Waterfalls, Catskill Getaway!

Play in the Catskills all day, sleep by the stream at night.
This 2 bedroom space is centrally located between Saugerties (HITS), Woodstock, and Hunter. It's the best of the Catskills right on Kaaterskill Creek with legendary swimming holes.

CATSKILL GETAWAY
2-BEDROOM APARTMENT

Lovely second floor apartment with a private entrance, in a beautiful 2-family home on Kaaterskill Creek is available year-round for long or short stays.

Romantic, private and quiet, this great getaway spot is less than two hours drive from the George Washington bridge. Whether you are swimming, bicycling, seeking nature at it's best or just resting and rejuvenating, you'll enjoy the serenity of our idyllic location. Your own large well equipped eat-in kitchen is the perfect place for morning coffee or tea. (Supplied, of course, along with a variety of wholesome breakfast items including yummy locally baked goods and fresh fruit). This getaway also features two sunny, warm bedrooms where the stream sings you to sleep, a large bathroom with a deep tub for soaking along with wifi and a well stocked vacation library.

This amazing spot has it all:

We're conveniently located between Woodstock / Saugerties (10 miles) and Hunter Mountain (10 miles), right on Kaaterskill Creek.

Enjoy H.I.T.S. Horse Shows in the Sun (8minutes)

Explore Kaaterskill Falls (5 minutes)

Hike the long Path through Kaaterskill Clove (2 minutes walk to the trail head)

Stroll to nearby Michael's or the Fernwood Restaurant for a leisurely world cuisine lunch or dinner. Enjoy home cooked meals with organic and local ingredients at The Circle W Bistro. Or check out the stellar selection of wines at Lower Clove Wines,

Dine in Saugerties (8 miles) and try New World Home Cooking, The Red Onion

Visit Catskill's Storey Farms and Vinnie's farm stand for fresh local foods. (2 miles)

Enjoy Woodstock's shopping, restaurants and fun

No Car Needed!

We're easy to get to via bus. (Drops you off in the center of the Hamlet.) Or take the Amtrak to Hudson and grab a cab across the Rip Van Winkle bridge. (One of the most beautiful trips you'll ever take.) All you'll need is within easy walking distance of the house.

Located in the sleepy hamlet of Palenville, the beauty of our area inspired much of the Hudson River School of Painting.
Let it inspire your perfect vacation or sabbatical.

Your own private space suits 4 people wonderfully. Enjoy the large private backyard, organic veggie and herb garden, patio with outdoor seating and a grill. Rest or read in the shade of a maple in our swinging hammock

We can be flexible. While you have your own space and we completely respect your privacy. We are always welcome conversation and are more than happy to help you guide you to the best the Catskills have to offer.

We're a sleepy hamlet. Well known as America's First Artist Colony. Birthplace of the Hudson River School of Art.

Yes! The Trailways bus drops you off at the Circle W just 2 minutes from the house. We're happy to help you with luggage etc.

We also love to take the Amtrak. It's like a vacation at the beginning of the vacation. Take the train to Hudson and cab across the Rip Van Winkle Bridge. This is the most scenic route and inspiration for many fine photographers.


We're a green vacation rental. All of our cleaning solutions exceed Green Seal standards, all paint is zero-VOC, we recycle, grow organically and HEPA vacuum meticulously. We are happy to stock anything special you may want.

Want to know more about the history or our area?

Catskill Stream is snuggled into an area so rich in history, where legend begat fact, that the neighborhood adds another layer of wonder to an already stunning setting.

It was this immediate area of Palenville that Washington Irving borrowed in 1819 for the setting for the epic slumber and awakening of "Rip Van Winkle," drawing the then-young country's attention to the area. A few years later, the first of the pioneering artists of what became known as the Hudson River School of painting were pulled here, too.

Thomas Cole, Kaaterskill
Thomas Cole, The Falls of the Kaaterskill, 1826

The young Thomas Cole first visited here in 1825, to sketch nearby Kaaterskill Falls and other spots. The paintings he made from those sketches moved many other artists to flock to the area to try to capture it's awe-inspiring beauty, not only on canvas but also in poetry and prose.

Their glorious works, widely reproduced in the major periodicals of the day, attracted so many visitors that they in turn spurred the popularity of grand mountaintop hotels, which became favored destinations for all the giants of the 19th and early 20th century.

The famed Catskill Mountain House, in 1823 the first resort in America, was as legendary in its time as any playground of the famous and powerful today. The Mountain House, and the others that followed, like the Hotel Kaaterskill and the Laurel House, attracted Twain, Sherman, Presidents Arthur and Grant, along with nobility and notables from all over the world.

This is the real Catskill Mountains, not the vacation areas in the foothills to the southeast that long ago misappropriated the name. The justly famed Kaaterskill Falls, the tallest in New York State, rendered and made famous by all the major Hudson River School artists, is no more than four miles up the road!

The Mountain House, Hotel Kaaterskill and the Laurel House, widely-famed landmarks in their day, are all gone now. The depression of the 1930's, fire, and the march of time eventually brought their reign to the end, and the once imposing structures demolished. But the scenery is now even more sublime since the area has reverted to its natural state, and manmade structures no longer interfere.

"Kindred Spirits" (Cole & Bryant) by Asher Durand


Asher Durand, who bought one of Thomas Cole's original three paintings of the region, painted this tribute to his friends William Cullen Bryant and Cole after the latter's passing. It shows his interpretation of a spot in the Kaaterskill Clove, borrowing various features from different locations. It is regarded as a defining work of the Hudson River School.

Links, References

The Hudson River School Art Trail — Hike to the nearby sites made famous by the painters of the Hudson River School.

"Tracking the Artists' Journey on the Hudson" (NY Times, 11/13/05)

"Cedar Grove" — the Thomas Cole House in the nearby Town of Catskill, a national historic site.

"Olana" — The Frederick Church House, in Hudson, NY, hailed by many as the queen of the Hudson Valley estates

Thomas Cole, Dawn Of The Hudson River School
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This page shows reproductions of Thomas Cole's historic first three paintings from this area in 1825, including one of Kaaterskill Falls.

National Gallery of Art, 2007 Exhibition on Asher Durand

"Kaaterskill Falls" - from Wikipedia

Wadsworth Atheneum Museum of Art, Hartford, Conn.

The Wadsworth Atheneum's renowned Hudson River School collection, the finest of its kind, contains over 65 Hudson River landscapes, including thirteen of Thomas Cole's. The paintings are currently traveling as an exhibit in Europe (9/08). Founder Daniel Wadsworth was one of Cole's most important patrons.

Book: "Kaaterskill - From the Catskill Mountain House to the Hudson River School"

Published by the Mountain Top Historical Society,
Black Dome Press, 1993

Accommodatie-voorzieningen

Strand

  • Strandlakens

Wintersport

  • Gebruik van de skilift
  • Langlaufloipe in de buurt
  • Snowboarden in de buurt

Zwembad/spa

  • Massage

Internet

  • Beschikbaar in de woning: gratis wifi

Parkeren en vervoer

  • Oplaadstation voor elektrische voertuigen ter plaatse
  • Auto niet vereist
  • Parkeerplekken ter plaatse

Keuken

  • Blender
  • Broodrooster
  • Elektrische waterkoker
  • Kitchenette
  • Koelkast
  • Koffiezetapparaat/waterkoker
  • Kookgerei, borden en bestek
  • Kookplaat
  • Kruiden
  • Microgolfoven
  • Oven

Eetopties

  • Chef-kokservice
  • Eettafel

Slaapkamers

  • 2 slaapkamers
  • Beddengoed inbegrepen

Badkamer

  • 1 badkamer
  • Bad
  • Bad of douche
  • Douche
  • Haardroger
  • Handdoeken inbegrepen
  • Shampoo
  • Toiletpapier
  • Zeep

Woonruimtes

  • Eettafel

Entertainment

  • Boeken
  • Dvd-speler
  • Tv met kabel-/satellietzenders

Buiten

  • Barbecue
  • Patio
  • Tuin
  • Tuinmeubels

Wasvoorzieningen

  • Wasserette

Comfort

  • Airconditioning
  • Verwarming

Huisdieren

  • Geen huisdieren toegelaten

Toegankelijkheidsvoorzieningen

  • Rookvrije accommodatie

Diensten en faciliteiten

  • Conciërgeservices
  • Maaltijdbezorging
  • Strijkijzer/strijkplank
  • Telefoon

Uitgelichte locatiekenmerken

  • Aan een rivier
  • Aan het water
  • Dicht bij een dierentuin
  • Dicht bij een outletcentrum
  • Dicht bij een spa
  • Dicht bij een ziekenhuis
  • Op het platteland

Dingen om te doen

  • Golf
  • Skiliftprivileges
  • Wintersportuitrusting
  • Basketballen in de buurt
  • Bergbeklimmen in de buurt
  • Ecotours in de buurt
  • Golfbaan in de buurt
  • Jagen in de buurt
  • Jetskiën in de buurt
  • Kajakken in de buurt
  • Motorbootverhuur in de buurt
  • Mountainbiken in de buurt
  • Natuurwandelingen in de buurt
  • Paardrijden in de buurt
  • Pretpark in de buurt
  • Raften in de buurt
  • Rondleidingen bij wijnmakerijen in de buurt
  • Rotsklimmen in de buurt
  • Schaatsmogelijkheid in de buurt
  • Sleeën in de buurt
  • Sneeuwscooteren in de buurt
  • Snorkelen in de buurt
  • Vismogelijkheid in de buurt
  • Vogelspotten in de buurt
  • Wandel-/fietsroutes in de buurt
  • Waterskiën in de buurt
  • Watertuben in de buurt
  • Zeilen in de buurt
  • Zwemmogelijkheid in de buurt

Veiligheidsvoorzieningen

  • Koolmonoxidemelder (de eigenaar heeft aangegeven dat er een koolmonoxidemelder aanwezig is in de accommodatie)
  • Rookmelder (de eigenaar heeft aangegeven dat er een rookmelder aanwezig is in de accommodatie)
  • EHBO-doos
  • Brandblusser
  • Veiligheidsslot

Algemeen

  • Oplaadpunt voor elektrische auto's
  • Tuin
  • Unitgrootte: 74 vierkante meter

Gelijkaardige accommodaties

Beleid

Inchecken

Inchecken kan vanaf 15.00 uur
In- en uitchecken zonder direct persoonlijk contact
Minimale leeftijd om in te checken: 21

Uitchecken

Uitchecken voor 11.00 uur
Contactloos uitchecken

Speciale incheckinstructies

Je ontvangt een e-mail van de eigenaar met instructies over het in- en uitchecken
De informatie die de accommodatie verstrekt, is mogelijk vertaald met automatische vertaaltools

Huisdieren

Geen huisdieren toegelaten

Kinderen en extra bedden

Kinderen zijn welkom.
Opmerking van de gastheer/-vrouw: Minors must be accompanied by a guardian.

Evenementen

No events allowed

Roken

Smoking is not permitted

Belangrijke informatie

Algemene info

Deze accommodatie wordt beheerd door een particuliere eigenaar, d.w.z. een persoon die niet handelt vanuit zijn/haar vakgebied, bedrijf of beroep. De consumentenwetgeving van de EU, met inbegrip van het herroepingsrecht, is niet van toepassing op je boeking. Voor je boeking geldt het annuleringsbeleid van de particuliere eigenaar.
Afhankelijk van het accommodatiebeleid kan voor extra personen een toeslag worden aangerekend.
Tijdens het inchecken dien je in het geval van incidentele kosten mogelijk een geldig identiteitsbewijs voor te leggen en een borgsom in contanten, per bankkaart of kredietkaart te betalen.
Speciale verzoeken kunnen, indien mogelijk, bij check-in worden ingewilligd. Hiervoor kunnen extra kosten worden aangerekend. Speciale verzoeken kunnen niet worden gegarandeerd.
Feesten of groepsevenementen ter plaatse zijn ten strengste verboden
De eigenaar heeft aangegeven dat er een koolmonoxidemelder aanwezig is in de accommodatie.
De eigenaar heeft aangegeven dat er een rookmelder aanwezig is in de accommodatie.
De accommodatie beschikt over de volgende veiligheidsvoorzieningen: een brandblusapparaat, een EHBO-koffer en een veiligheidsslot
Deze accommodatie wordt beheerd via onze partner, Vrbo. Je ontvangt een e-mail van Vrbo met een link naar een Vrbo-account, waarmee je je boeking kunt aanpassen of annuleren.

Overige info

Het is niet nodig om een auto te hebben om van en naar deze accommodatie te reizen.

Over deze buurt

dit vakantiehuis ligt in een landelijke omgeving en aan het water in Palenville. Kaaterskill Falls en Hunter Mountain zijn zeker een bezoekje waard als je graag een activiteit wilt doen. Wil je graag een evenement of wedstrijd bijwonen tijdens je verblijf? Kijk dan even wat er te beleven valt bij HITS-on-the-Hudson of kies voor een avondje uit bij Byrdcliffe Barn. Er zijn mogelijkheden te over in deze regio, zoals langlaufen en snowboarden. Vergeet ook niet om te gaan sleeën of sneeuwscooteren. Bekijk onze reisgids voor Palenville
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In de buurt

  • Catskill State Park
    Catskill State Park
    1 min. wandelen - 0.1 km
  • Kaaterskill Falls
    Kaaterskill Falls
    16 min. rijden - 15.4 km
  • Hunter Mountain
    Hunter Mountain
    21 min. rijden - 25.6 km
  • Mohonk Lake
    Mohonk Lake
    55 min. rijden - 68.7 km
  • HITS-on-the-Hudson
    12 min. rijden - 15.9 km

Lokaal vervoer

  • Hudson Station - 25 min. rijden
  • Hudson, NY (HCC-Columbia County) - 32 min. rijden

Restaurants

  • McDonald's
    14 min. rijden
  • Annarella Ristorante
    10 min. rijden
  • Selena's Diner
    9 min. rijden
  • Deja Brew
    11 min. rijden
  • Char's Family Diner
    10 min. rijden

Veelgestelde vragen

Zijn huisdieren welkom bij Stream Side, Waterfalls, Catskill Getaway!?

Nee, assistentiedieren zijn niet welkom bij deze accommodatie.

Hoeveel kost het om hier te parkeren?

Er zijn parkeerplaatsen beschikbaar bij de accommodatie.

Hoe laat kan ik bij Stream Side, Waterfalls, Catskill Getaway! inchecken?

Inchecken is mogelijk vanaf 15.00 uur.

Tot hoe laat kan ik bij Stream Side, Waterfalls, Catskill Getaway! uitchecken?

Je dient om uiterlijk 11.00 uur uit te checken.

Waar staat Stream Side, Waterfalls, Catskill Getaway!?

Dit vakantiehuis ligt aan het water, op enkele stappen van Catskill State Park en op 15 km van Vinnie's Farm Market en Kaaterskill Falls. Ook Mountain Trails Cross Country Ski and Snowshoe Center en North-South Lake Campground & Day Use Area liggen op 15 km afstand.

Beoordelingen over Stream Side, Waterfalls, Catskill Getaway!

Beoordelingen

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9,6

Netheid

9,4

Locatie

Beoordelingen

Geverifieerd

8/10 – Goed

Tina S.

Positief: Netheid, inchecken, communicatie en locatie

Love the Catskills!

Wonderful time and so much beautiful hiking and relaxing
2 nachten verbleven in mei 2023
Geverifieerd

10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Maggie R.

Positief: Netheid, inchecken, communicatie, locatie en accuraatheid advertentie

Cute and easy!

Everything about the process was super easy. I booked very last minute and everything was still super seamless. Lea was extremely responsive and even baked us brownies. It was a great experience.
2 nachten verbleven in januari 2022
Geverifieerd

10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Chris B.

Positief: Netheid, inchecken, communicatie, locatie en accuraatheid advertentie

Cozy Apartment with Great Hosts

We stayed for over a week with our newborn and were very comfortable. Lea and Jeff were freindly and neighborly and made us feel right at home! We enjoyed falling asleep to the sound of the river right out front.
9 nachten verbleven in april 2021
Geverifieerd

10/10 – Voortreffelijk

nicole m.

Positief: Netheid, inchecken, communicatie, locatie en accuraatheid advertentie

Perfect

Thanks so much for a wonderful stay!!!
2 nachten verbleven in oktober 2019
Geverifieerd

8/10 – Goed

Geverifieerde reiziger

Positief: Netheid, inchecken, communicatie, locatie en accuraatheid advertentie

Enjoying the Catskills and the Hudson Valley

It's a wonderful place to stay, and Lea, one of the owners, is a caring and kind host who treated us also with self-made brownies. She made me, my brother and sister-in-law feel welcome. The location couldn't have been better for hiking tours and also at rainy days to visit Hyde Park, the Roosevelt estate. I would only add that this apartment only sleeps three adults comfortably, the second room is too small. We enjoyed our evenings around the kitchen table but there is no "living room". It would be helpful to have more light in the small hallway to see the thermostat. In total we had a lovely time and can recommend this place!
Geverifieerd

10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Vivian L.

Positief: Netheid, inchecken, communicatie, locatie en accuraatheid advertentie

Cosy Retreat

Comfortable and convenient. We look forward to staying with Jeff and Lea on our next visit to Palenville.
3 nachten verbleven in juli 2019
Geverifieerd

10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Amy F.

Positief: Netheid, inchecken, communicatie, locatie en accuraatheid advertentie

July 4th Family Vacation

We had an amazing time at Lea and Jeff's place. The place is exactly the way it is described and the pictures really portray the property. This was our first family vacation as a family of four. It was conveniently located to North-South Lake and we spent our days playing in the water and the sand. But you don't even need to drive to find a place to cool off, there is water hole on the block to swim and walk in the river. Thanks to Lea's recommendation, one of the highlights of our trip was to go to Story Farms for feeding time. Our toddler loved watching the cows being fed and milked. This was a perfect relaxing city getaway and we hope to come back again.
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10/10 – Voortreffelijk

megan d.

Sweet Times

Lea and Jeff (and their son, Will) are wonderful hosts. They make sure you have everything you need and far and beyond! The location is fabulous for close by swimming holes, easy trips up the mountain, and an easy and beautiful drive to Woodstock. It is also close to the upcoming Saugerties Village and the Hudson river. Hudson itself and the Olana estate is so easy to get to and well worth seeing. The apartment is great, with two nice and light-filled bedrooms, and a spacious kitchen and eating area - a definite plus for longer stays as mine was. The bed is the best. I want one just like that! And going to sleep to the gurgling stream is peaceful and adds to a good nights sleep. The neighborhood is quiet with lovely evening walks to be had. Hawks and kingfishers abound as well as nesting storks close by. I have had a wonderful summer here and look forward to returning. Thanks Lea, Jeff, and Will for everything. You have been so very kind to me and I am most grateful.
30 nachten verbleven in augustus 2017
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8/10 – Goed

Chuck and Liz C.

Very clean in an excellent area.

We enjoyed our quiet stay. This is a very old historic area and the upstairs unit is very clean,a little crooked but that is to be expected in a house in this era. The only downside was the lack of good internet and TV would not work.
5 nachten verbleven in april 2017
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8/10 – Goed

stephen s.

Clean and cozy spot with excellent access to parks and town

We stayed for father's Day weekend and had a great time. Kaaterskill creek and falls are within a short walk. Hunter mountain and the park are a short drive as is the dining of Saugerties, Woodstock and Catskill. This 2nd floor apartment has all the kitchen and bathing necessities and is furnished comfortably. A great value. Lea, Jeff and their son Will were very accommodating.
2 nachten verbleven in juni 2016
Gearchiveerde beoordeling

10/10 – Voortreffelijk

susan m.

Great place, friendly and helpful hosts

Accommodations were cute as can be and it was lovely to have coffee, fruit there on arrival and pastries next day! Right across from a lovely little stream with a swimming hole right there. Kids enjoyed jumping off a little ledge into the water, which was, let's say, refreshing! It was early June., with water coming down from the mountains. We'll be back!
2 nachten verbleven in juni 2016
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10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Peter H.

Great Space, Great People

Had a wonderful weekend staying at this property. The space was exactly as advertised and the owners could not have been nicer. Lea and Jeff were also very helpful with information about how to enjoy the experience.
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8/10 – Goed

Mike M.

Nice place in a nice location

Apartment was in a really nice spot. No more than 15-20 mins to either north/south lake (hiking, swimming, boating, fishing) or Woodstock. Kaaterskill falls also right up the street. Apartment was clean and comfortable and Lea was very accommodating......Plenty of tips on where to go. We spent most of our time on the lake or in the local swimming holes. Overall, we had a great time.
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8/10 – Goed

Quiet comfy spot to rejouvenate

Our hosts, Lea and Jeff, were really helpful in sharing valuable info about the area on our first visit there...it made for a far better trip. Accommodations were also very clean and comfortable. We would certainly return to this B&B if in the area again and recommend it to friends.
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10/10 – Voortreffelijk

SUPER CUTE!

This place was a gem of a find. Stream Side and I truley love how relaxing the property is. I came across this place online, booked our first visit and have been back 3 times since Fall of 3013! Feels like home... The owners are very sweet and always professional. The rooms are always clean & neat. There is a private entrance for guests and Wifi too!
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10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Peace and Tranquility in the Catskills

Perfect country getaway close to NYC. Enjoy hiking, biking and backyard shade as you relax next to the sound of stream side water over rocks. Immaculate and private with the amenities of fine dining and Woodstock within minutes. Owners could not be more accommodating and pleasant.
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10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Catskill getaway

Escape big city stress here. This quiet home is relaxed and charming, and the mountain air makes for great sleeping. Hosts are cheerful and accommodating to our individual needs. Comfortable furniture, good food, and immaculately clean quarters were fine.
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10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Fantastic

I am very happy and plan on going back. Very nice, clean and fun place to stay. Private entry is nice so I could come and go as I wish. Close by many attractions in the Catskills. Highly recommend !!!
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4/10 – Slecht

Heather T.

Good location, dirty home

We were upgraded to the main part of the house which was nice but it was filthy. Dog hair and dust and a tray of moldy food in the oven. It needs a deep cleaning. Once cleaned, it's good space. There is a great yard. Close to tons of fun and they keep a well stocked pantry for use.
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10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Gorgeous home with beautiful views!

This apartment is centrally located and just perfect for a peaceful getaway. Jeff and Lea are gracious hosts and make you feel right at home. A perfect 10!!!!
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10/10 – Voortreffelijk

Samita B.

Waterfalls, Stream, Mountains and more....

We had a very memorable weekend. It was a home away from home with and we plan on going back again....Jeff, Lea and Will are great hosts and we feel fortunate to have known them...